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Tue May 13 23:24:01 2008 - [Put your money where your mouth is] By: Tony R
Hello everyone,

Talk is cheap regarding the Starfire mania. The following simple solutions are where the rubber meets the road.

Option 1: Although the nickname Starfire cannot be sold, what I can do is make sure that the DCB ceases using the nickname Starfire for a fee of $1,000 cash upon delivery to the lawyer of my choosing. This is a much less expensive option for anyone seriously concerned versus anything else I’ve seen being discussed.

Option 2: I will give up all rights to the DCB for a fee of $10,000 cash upon delivery to the lawyer of my choosing. Trust funders and followers, this is your chance to help your cause. I don’t care if you get the money from your daddy or a bake sale, this is your chance.

These options are available until 9:00AM Thursday, May 15, 2008.

If you’re seriously looking for resolve, put your money where your mouth is and email me at: ramoneanthony@gmail.com , otherwise have a nice day and STFU.

Ciao,

Tony Ramone


Tue May 13 22:30:29 2008 - [Judged by the company we keep] By: Jeremiah W
Ness has done nothing! Now Ness's buddies at the PDD want to discredit the DCB. The enemies of the DCB have even resorted to death threats. How despicable!

You should be able to judge someone by the company they keep. Ness chooses to hang out with PDD low-lifes, and now he is working harder to elect Osama than he is trying to solve Duluth's problems.

BTW
My thoughts also go out to Tony.

TONY: Thank you all who have expressed their concern. Life goes on.

Tue May 13 17:52:46 2008 - [Disappointed] By: sue
disappointed to learn that DCB Starfire was frightened off by the rump runner Starfire. wienies.

Tue May 13 14:52:02 2008 - [A whim to a proposal] By: Danny G
DANNY DOES DULUTH-EPISODE 38-Wheel Of News
Looks like the PDD/DCB Summit has gone from a whim to a proposal! Will this revolutionary concept go any further? While pondering this important question, why not listen to the latest episode of DDD? On today's show:
-Danny's Weekend Recap
-The DCB/PDD Summit talk
-A very creepy old audio file from the 40-year old guy who wants to be called Starfire
-Ashley debuts the Wheel Of News
Enjoy!

www.dannydoesduluth.com
or
www.lewlattolive.com

Tue May 13 13:43:56 2008 - [Work hours on the web] By: Archie
Ben Dover....you don't seem to work much. You're spending a lot of work hours on the interwebs unless you are a trust funder....

Tue May 13 13:33:40 2008 - [DELETED] By: Legal Eagle
I see that you have stopped using the name "Starfire." I guess you must be afraid of getting sued. How is the DELETED lawsuit going against DELETED? You guys are such DELETED.


MODERATOR: Tony will be dealing with this very soon.

Tue May 13 10:46:41 2008 - [Piss poor leadrship in Duluth] By: Ben Dover
Hillsider: Don"t have the grapes to do what?

BLUE DUCK: You are right on the money!

larry: What you are saying applies to places where there is even a sliver of real leadership and common sense. It would be nice if a group could organize and work together to accomplish things for the greater good. In Duluth I have learned that it is better to see the city fall flat on its face then continue this agonizing slow death it is destined to follow due to piss poor leadership. I will give you an example.

Last Fall the council wasted an enormous amount of time on the 300 foot rule. It was proposed and many, including the current mayor jumped on board because it sounded like a good idea. No real research and no thinking about consequences. I discussed the issue right here many times and told bloggers that it "will cause more harm then it will accomplish". Some here agreed and some who clearly have issues with problem renters close by disagreed. Now some 9 months later it gets repealed because Rienert says, "It has caused more problems than it has solvd." 9 months of wasted BS on an issue which was for anyone with a brain pea sized or larger a terrible idea. If you want to address an issue around UMD, then DO IT AROUND UMD, not the whole city which put undue pressure on older Duluthians to pay for a license or lose any equity in their home.

This is typical Duluth lack of leadership behavior. Don't research it, just pass something and see what happens. If it sounds good or feels good, vote yes. Much of it happens because of the one party system which has been able to effectively condition enough voters to keep it in power at all costs, including the $133,000.00 spent by the DFL party this last election cycle to get Donny Boy, Gardner, Anderson and Cuneo in. Bought and paid for politicians who will undoubtedly continue to represent the ones who paid for them and continue to drive the city and its ever decreasing taxpayer base away. People should be outraged that this happens in such a beautiful city, but until enough of them are, nothing will change. Just more bought and paid for politicians like Donny Boy and the DFL paid for councilors.

The days of compromise are gone. It is now my hope that with the slowdown in the national economy, that DFL leadership will do what I expect them to and continue to raise taxes. This is the only way out for Duluth. Donny Boy is as predictable as a trip to the bathroom after a little Montezuma's revenge and the only tackling of real issues he will do, is hand any and all bills over to the taxpayers.

Are raising taxes on your citizens really the difficult choice? No, they are the easy choice. Making the difficult choices is best done when you are not a puppet or turn your back on those who got you elected if you are one. Donny Boy, who is clearly a puppet will not turn his back on his base because he needs them to get elected to higher office, so expect more of the tax increasing treatment. Let's hope the wheels come off the cart on his watch. I would love to see a thriving Duluth in my lifetime and the only way is to see this Soviet like system and media go the way of the real Soviet Union and start over. Most people are already having a hard time paying bills and with Donny Boy helping himself to get to higher places we can be sure he will increase taxes and or fees and help destroy the lives of many of our fellow citizens.

Tue May 13 09:23:14 2008 - [Something stinks in Duluth!!!!] By: Dumb and Dumber
We should be delighted that tax dollars are being used to subsidize the Aquarium. Think of the economic stimulus generated from Gramma's. All the high paying jobs that help Duluth maintain it's twice the average low income statistics.

Possibly while Brandon Stahl is busy with the DEDA story he might throw in a list of the TIF properties and a statement as to the tax revenue this twice the average low income City has forgiven in the interest of Chronie Economic Selfish Stimulus!! Better know as CESS. Now add in the "pool" of pandering and with a whale lot of debt and wolla-Duluth!!!! All this aquatic life here would be impossible without the rare, but well know "BLOW FISH" politicians, that our majority of economic dumber, it's free too me come live here and see, over organized labor, and the arstsy don't do farsty folks keep stinking up the City with!! Very few will not admit that "something stinks" in Duluth!!!!

Tue May 13 08:04:33 2008 - [Another slap in Duluth taxpayers face] By: LIB READER ONLINE
Not much interesting in the LIB online but I found this report regarding the Great Lakes Aquarium very interesting. According to this blog by John Ramos of Duluth, Grandmas is getting $1,250,000 out of the aquarium, $50,000 a year for 25 years.

If this is true, why has this never been known in the past? This could be another Duluth rip off scheme of the taxpayers who subsidize the aquarium to the tune hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

This is just another fish tank tail fin slap in the face of Duluth taxpayers, now over $15 million into the tank, and because of the party benefiting, it will be further delaying from being reported on in the LIB online where you can save the trees, energy and money.

You can read the Ramos blog at:

http://shiningreputation.com/blog/?p=42#more-42

Mon May 12 21:32:44 2008 - [Earth to dimmest lights on the block] By: Former Chamber Member
Earth to Hillsider! Come in over…Hillsider are you there? Do you read me Hillsider? Do you read Hillsider?

You’ve gotta be kidding or a PDD regular.

Do a Google search on “Obama neo-marxist”. I got 6,200 in .31 seconds. My favorite is at- http://www.nogirliemen.com/?p=25

I suppose this leaves out half of the PDD crowd but then there’s the other half that are girls so they can take a peak.

By the way do a Google search on “Starfire” and you’ll get a resounding 5,870,000 hits in .05 seconds. Look at the lawsuit potential by all those rascals using the dumb ass name of Starfire. I agree will Big Iron, who the hell cares other than Brandon Stahl trying to out pimp the National Enquirer or Star Post? Whoops there’s that Star word again. This 40 year old Starfire's flame has to be out and appears to be one of dimmest lights on the block.

Mon May 12 19:41:24 2008 - [Where do you get the idea?] By: Hillsider
Chamber...where do you get the idea that Obama is a neo Marxist? Your ignorance is showing.

Mon May 12 19:08:11 2008 - [Sue or wait, who the hell cares?] By: Big Iron
What some people find important in their lives is astounding. It's the internet. It's people with ficticious names running their mouths over idiotic "stuff". Why do some of you get so bent out of shape over ridiculous rants from another site??? Someone is using my handle over at PDD. So what! I could care less. Should I hire an attorney like some of you have suggested? Should I wait for the site owner to show up and rescue me??? I don't think so. Who the hell cares. If you're not retarded, move on.

Mon May 12 16:07:52 2008 - [Obama or Osama, he's still a Neo-Marxist] By: Former Chamber Member
Obama or Osama or whatever you call him, he's a Neo-Marxist which fits in perfectly with Ne$$$$$$ and his cronies. Marxists despise free speech which is obvious by their continuous obsession with shutting down the DCB. Anonymity gets to the Marxists even more as they can’t intimidate them, get them fired from their jobs or worse. Viva la DCB!

Mon May 12 14:53:47 2008 - [Hob-nobbing with Osama] By: Julie K
The line "Why shouldn't we talk about his hob-nobbing with OSAMA?" is just super clever. Did you come up with that one on your own? It is no wonder you folks want to stay anonymous.

Moderator, allowing this guy to equate Obama with Osama is exactly why the DCB can not be taken seriously. I will be surprised if you allow my comment to be posted.


MODERATOR: How does a post by one blogger translate into why or why not the DCB can or should be taken seriously? The DCB no more "allows this guy to equate Obama with Osama" than it does you to have what may be the exact opposite opinion. It is called FREE SPEECH and that is what this site allows.

Mon May 12 14:26:03 2008 - [My thoughts are with you] By: John R
Tony I just heard the news and my thoughts are with you.

Mon May 12 13:58:23 2008 - [Still waiting to hear what Ne$$ has done] By: can't you see the light
Larry, you might rip on bush, we might rip on Ness. It is our first amendment right. If you don't want to read rants about ness, or anyone else, then don't read them. This is a free country and no one is forcing you to read anything.

Why shouldn't we talk about his car being repossessed? Why shouldn't we talk about his hob-nobbing with OSAMA?
You would wish that we would forget about that, but we won't. We are still waiting to hear what he has accomplished. During his council career, he couldn't resist giving anyone who asked money. Our money. Now he is starting to realize that money doesn't grow on trees.
At least I hope he realizes that. The school board thinks that money grows on trees apparently.

Mon May 12 10:08:48 2008 - [Stahl should do a DEDA story] By: Barb J
LRO,

That an intersting poll. Brand Stahl should do a story on DEDA. I mean the poll is on the DNT website, why not write a story or did they? Also, what does DEDA do beside screw people when they take their land and put a parking ramp on it?

Mon May 12 09:14:07 2008 - [Inconsequential nothings] By: Charlie Hustle
No wonder nothing ever changes in Duluth. Too many people having flame wars over absolutely inconsequential nothings. Grow up, find some common ground and try to be productive, find some solutions, instead of wasting everyone's time. Until that happens, your rhetoric don't go for spit.

Mon May 12 08:19:31 2008 - [Citizens DEDA confidence low] By: LIB Reader Online
While reading the LIB online for free, saving energy, money and trees, I see that an overwhelming majority of readers have very little faith in DEDA and its Clowncil Con-Missioners.

The poll question and results are below:
________________________________________________________________________________

Should citizens be added to the Duluth Area Economic Development board?

View poll results »

Yes 350 86.42%

No 55 13.58%

Mon May 12 07:55:53 2008 - [What has Ne$$$$$$$$$ done?] By: PU
Larry,

Put up or shut up.

What has Ne$$$$$$$$$ done to resolve the $5 million budget shortfall?

What has Ne$$$$$$$$$ done to fund retire health care per GASB Rule 45?

What has Ne$$$$$$$$$ done to protect the solvency of Duluth? Selling scooters?

What has Ne$$$$$$$$$ done to improve the condition of Duluth’s streets, sewers and other infrastructure?

Like I said Larry, put up or shut up.

Mon May 12 07:06:39 2008 - [DO SOMETHING besides rebuke] By: Hillsider
Larry, if we're to follow your advice, then the job's only half done. Rebuttal of arguments is still only TALK and TALK as it pertains to this blog means NOTHING.

Repossessions, committee chairs and elbow rubbing means absolutely nothing. If anything it makes you all sound petty and small, but in reality those "issues" are minutiae.

I'm wondering when you're all going to DO SOMETHING besides rebuke, rebuff and complain.

It's been brought up time and time again that one of the chief reasons the left gets their boys through the gate is because they're better organized. Wouldn't it then make sense to emulate them and ORGANIZE?

Beyond that, you lack CONSISTENCY. You toss your support to a candidate and then when they do or say something about an issue that you're not in favor of, you withdraw that support. One day you're in love with Tom Smith and the next you're thumbing your noses at him because he was seen talking (ohmygosh!) to someone you don't like, or he has to take a stance on an issue that you're not in favor of because it's possibly the best and only viable solution to the problem.

As long as all you folks do is whine and complain about what you all see as a crisis and a problem, then nothing will change. In order to affect that change, you need to move BEYOND Ben Dover's "expose" mentality and go out into your communities and ACT. Better yet: RUN.

John Rathe actually had the cajones to make an attempt at DOING SOMETHING instead of crying about the city's issues on a blog.

Here's a little piece of advice, folks: This...is the internet. The internet means nothing, and so long as you continue to address your frustrations solely on the internet, your frustrations are going to continue to mean nothing. and all this business with your feud with Perfect Duluth Day is ridiculous...on both sides. You want to be taken seriously? Stop pandering to each other and leave each other alone.

You both exist. You don't like each other, but the fact of the matter is neither of you are going away, despite feelings otherwise. Trading barbs with another blog doesn't help your cause, and frankly turns people off and doesn't make them want to listen to anything you say.

Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're all still retarded.

Mon May 12 01:21:09 2008 - [Sick of DFL corruption & incompetence] By: BLUE DUCK
LARRY SAID: "If they're as bankrupt and irresponsible as you say they are, people will take notice. "


LARRY, LARRY, LARRY...

YOU JUST DON’T GET IT, DO YOU ?

PEOPLE HAVE NOT TAKEN NOTICE AND THEY WILL NOT TAKE NOTICE. APPARENTLY YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING THE SAME KOOL-AID AS THEY HAVE.

WHERE DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT DCB IS THE "the conservative-leaning minority". DCB BLOGGERS ARE FROM ALL POLITICAL VIEWS. THEY HAVE ONE MAJOR PRINCIPLE IN COMMON.

THEY ARE SICK OF ONE PARTY RULE IN DULUTH. SICK OF THE CORRUPTION AND SICK OF THE INCOMPETENCE THAT IS LEADING THIS CITY TO FAILURE.

OVER AND OUT

BLUE DUCK

Mon May 12 00:57:44 2008 - [Sound, thoughtful, rational arguments] By: larry
Dear Ben Dover specifically (and DCB in general),

Duluth is a DFL-leaning city in a DFL-leaning region in a DFL-leaning state. You've probably noticed this by now.

So, your task, as the conservative-leaning minority, isn't to huddle together and yell obscenities at the majority: this will only further marginalize you. Don't you see this? Rather-- your task is to rebut the arguments of the majority with sound, thoughtful, rational arguments of your own. And it might help to show your human side every now and again-- that is, prove that you don't spend every evening stewing in your basement, thinking about AFSCME, writing ALL CAPS screeds on the internet. Write about an art exhibit you attended, perhaps. Or how nice the lake looked today. You could even tell the occasional joke.

Hint: angry rants about our mayor's connections with posters of the rival blog (and you've got photographs to prove it!) will not help your cause. Nobody cares that the mayor is friends with members of the art-community. There are already photographs, videos, and essays on his webpage that indicate this. He chaired the Homegrown Music Festival last year. You didn't unearth anything.

Don't talk about his car being repossessed. Don't talk about his support of Obama. Don't talk about his age. Or his perceived lack of real-world experience. All of these issues are either super-subjective or entirely irrelevant. Talk about his policies. If they're as bankrupt and irresponsible as you say they are, people will take notice.

Or you could just hang out in your corner and yell about stuff. Maybe that'll work.

Mon May 12 00:21:35 2008 - [If only you had the grapes] By: Hillsider
Ben...if only you had the grapes to do it yourself.

You talk a big game, buddy but it's all smoke.

Sun May 11 23:27:19 2008 - [Keep it clean and without threats] By: Happy Duluth Day
Sad Duluth Day, when did PDD say anything hateful or homophobic? You just can't throw these accusations out without backing it up. Come on, moderators, start showing some fairness here. I'm posting this elsewhere just in case for some reason it isn't posted here. Yeah, I know, hard to believe.

MODERATOR: Not quite sure what you mean by showing fairness. It is up to the posters. If posters keep it clean, I will approve it regardless of which end of the spectrum it comes from. I will not, however, put out a post in which the poster makes death threats or the post is just absolute vulgarities or nonsense. BTW, a death threat post came in last evening while I was on as a moderator. I would hate to think from which camp it came from given the recent topics being discussed here.

Sun May 11 22:50:57 2008 - [Not holding breath for DNT to report] By: Ben Dover
Tara: I believe that there is definately an argument to be made that Donny Boy is way connected to these two douchebags at the heart of this BS, this PDD blogger, Starfire and the other blogger, Barrett. This PDD Starfire, aka DELETED was part of Donny Boys campaign and the other douche can be viewed in a picture on Pudknockers and Douchebags of Duluth (PDD) on May 2. This is not just a coincidence in my opinion. The Obama backing, never worked a real job kid is way involved with these douchebags. Look at the Horatio post on this site from a couple days ago and the dots start to become connected. I think that picture of Donny Boy and Barrett is a gem to prove the connection between all these D-bags in Duluth and their never ending desire to silence any and all opposition. They wish for free speech only for themselves.

Pudknockers and Douchebags of Duluth(PDD) is not only a trust funders site, but one that Donny Boy has frequented and communicated with the lowlifes who hang out there to help bring his farce of an administration to power. How much more connected can one get?

This is what real journalists should be looking into. Especially because both Donny Boy and his henchmen have publicly stated in the past their dislike for the DCB.

Come on Stahl, let's get with it. I want that picture on the front page of the DNT with Barrett’s libelous comments below it and Donny Boys campaign member DELETED and his frivolous claims below that. Now that would be the shit!!! And all are FACTS, not just typical leftist rhetoric.

How about it? I'm not holding my breath.

Sun May 11 21:58:45 2008 - [The Mother of All Interviews] By: Dork
Danny,

I see how rude those PDDers are. I think you should actually interview both Starfires on your next podcast and dump the summit. You could call it "The Mother of All Interviews" a Mother's Day Exclusive.

Sun May 11 21:50:09 2008 - [More bantering or truth] By: Tara
I just finished looking at the Perfect Duluth Day blog. I have a hard time believing that Mayor Ness associates with anyone there. Is there any truth of Mayor Ness or is this just more of bantering between the two blogs?

Sun May 11 20:54:39 2008 - [No end to the hate & anger at PDD] By: Sad Duluth Day
There is no end to the hate and anger at PDD. They profess "tolerance", "inclusiveness", "the arts", "green values" and various happy thoughts, yet they spew threats of violence and homophobia. There are threats about dragging people out of bars and beating them. I will not repeat the homophobic comments, they were quite graphic. The crude language and repeated use of the F word is disturbing. It's so bad that I had to block my son from accessing PDD. He really enjoyed looking at the neat and creative pictures posted there but with the gutter language and threats of violence he cannot go there anymore. So sad to see hate like that in Duluth. I have no objections to inherited wealth. I myself inherited assets from my parents upon their passing. However it appears to me that "free" money given to someone at an early age (i.e. trust fund money) prevents one from maturing into a responsible adult who can think of people other than his or herself.

Sun May 11 15:03:27 2008 - [Keep up the good fight] By: Bob
Who would want to make peace with PDD anyway? They are part of the problem, not the solution like DCB is. Such a meeting would be like high school, reds against the blues, shirts and against the not shirts. I say keep up the good fight.

Sun May 11 14:35:59 2008 - [Unexplained,superficial, greedy change] By: Dumb and Dumber
We can't co-exist with a dumber mentality than our own! We can't accept the "writing on the wall" demise of our City! We know full well there is no voice in the DNT or PDD for those who stand to lose the most today from the actions of those, yesterday, who will not recognize or speak honestly with accountability about our City! Is Duluth really filled with enough people that, feel their sexual orientation, their dependancy on big government, their upholding of unlawful acts, their selfish continued support of unfundable City enterprise, and their devious denial of critical too City character, entitles them to a unchallenged leadership? As a government controlled by both some Republican, and most of all DFL, lobbyist corporate greed, now pulls millions of middle class Americans into poverty, we can listen to Donnys' man Obama preach of change! An unexplained change just like Donnys', superficial, greed filled, DFL dollared and dimed attack on our Hometown American Freedom!! A Dying Freedom which many have now sorrily fought for and now pay too much for!! We can parade a gay lifestyle in City Hall, but don't try to display the Ten Commandments?

Some of us turn to the Bible to better understand mankind and history, some of us turn to our daily level of earthly comfort! How can so many act so dumb with my and their heirs human rights?????

Our Chinese tanks started to roll over civilians 40 years ago at Kent State University, many went to Vietnam, right or wrong, out of respect to their countries laws. They fought for each other, maybe not a country. Today we want to hide from the reality of terrorism, we lawfully ignore the acts of leaders who help steal from those they swore before God to protect! The DCB is the only voice of oppsition left to what undoubtedly is leading Duluth down a path of ruin, how can anyone be dumb enough to try to take it away!!

Sun May 11 11:06:14 2008 - [Ixnay the Summit-Happy Mothers Day] By: LIB Reader Online
Ben Dover,

I don't think you’re alone about going to the PDD summit. I really doubt it Tom will go either and even more, I doubt if the PDDers would let him in without some cheerleader outfit on. And for me, what of substance would really be accomplished? Kind of reminds me of Mayor Ne$$$$$$ and those are his followers. You know, birds of a feather…

Nothing worth commenting on in the LIB online other than do your part by saving energy, money and the trees. Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there.

Sun May 11 00:51:07 2008 - [Get back to calling out the corrupt] By: Victim Detector
Let's get back to the task of calling out the corrupt sucking every penny out of the city for their own agendas and personal gain. Glad to hear some resolution is possible over this bogus lawsuit over a nickname. Whatever is going on with Tony, I wish you well my friend.

Sun May 11 00:42:53 2008 - [Sorry to hear about your loss] By: EMU
Tony, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss.

Sun May 11 00:16:38 2008 - [Sorry Donny Boy, no diversion] By: Ben Dover
I haven't heard so much whining in this city since the last time the Rump Runners were crying about the DCB for some stupid reason. I think the lst time around that buffoon Clare was claiming to have some kind of rights for the name Clare. Now this idiot as well. Personally, I find the interesting part that this DELETED is best buds with our current embarrassment of an elected leader known now as Ne$$$$$$$$$$ and is supposedly co-founder of the Rump Runner site with a guy who is making what seems to be clearly libelious claims against a small business in Northeastern Minnesota. I find it much more than a coincidence that this clown, who blogs as Barrett, is rubbing together with the mayor in a most recent photo on DRR. I find that soooooo interesting!!!

Danny, I will not speak for others, but I wouldn't get together with one of these maggots for anything. What for? They don't like the DCB and I am guessing the same is true for most of the DCBers that I know. If they had anything to offer at all, I would consider it. But I laughed my ass off when Mad as Hell mentioned that nothing happens over there but C-freak announcing another gay event. That Zra needs his nose rubbed in a little of Duluth's ever so present dog shit once or twice to help him get off his high and mighty high horse.

I still can not believe that for a bunch of idiots who claim to detest the DCB so much, the amount of time they spend talking about the DCB is mind boggling. My guess is that they long for real creativity and that is why that t-shirt guy is once again stealing a DCB idea and looking to print Rump Runner t-shirts. You can thank Ben Dover DELETED! Whenever you folks need a lesson in creativity, stop on in and I'll try to accommodate you all. You all missed a great time with the grab ass at 4AM this morning with all of us.LOL

Get a life and grow up Rump Runners.

Now lets get back to the reality of this snot nosed Mayor and what he isn't doing to improve this city and what ails it. Where is he today, on some trip to Sweden again on our backs? Sorry Donny Boy, I won't let you divert attention away from the reality. Nice try though.

Sat May 10 23:19:50 2008 - [Resolution possible ] By: MODERATOR
To Phil K:

We’ve been advised not to go there. Tony has been out of the country dealing with a family tragedy. He’s has emailed us and has asked us to let all know that he will be looking to resolve the Starfire issue upon his return.

Sat May 10 21:06:52 2008 - [The best things in life are free] By: Dumb and Dumber
Once again the best things in life are free. The Budgeteer gives Harry Welty a chance to respond to David Ross, of the Chamber of Croniesisum, and his all out support of the Red Plan. For someone who makes the big money Ross gets, his support looks dumb!!


Sat May 10 20:35:09 2008 - [Where's Tony?] By: Chicken Man
Second Request please
Moderators, where's Tony and when is he going to be back?

MODERATOR: Tony will be back on Tuesday.

Sat May 10 20:19:15 2008 - [Cat fight] By: Able
There is wisdom in children's poems, pay attention.

There once were two cats from Kilkenny
each thought there’s one cat too many

So they fought and they fit*
and they scratched and they bit
Excepting their nails
and the tips of their tails
.
Instead of two cats
There wern't any

Sat May 10 19:51:05 2008 - [Stupid nickname squabble] By: Mad as Hell
OK folks, I will be taking a break in here....... one moment were talking about city retiree's and the next where in some immature squabble about a damn nickname called 'STARFIRE'? What the hell is this????? How stupid can we be?? Well I guess...pretty stupid.

To the DELETED Starfire aka., DELETED, you can take your little nickname and shove it up your now big butt hole. How many people have the same nickname? And to the moderator named 'Starfire', get a differnt handle. It serves the taxpayers no good whatsoever. Its time to move on.

And to the PDD crowd, your site sucks. It has no value other than to relive our childhood. Oh wait, your still living your childhoods....opps my bad, i'm sorry. I have yet seen anything of substance on your site other than when c-freak promotes another gay event at another gay venue. Thats called keeping the masses informed. Gheesh??

And DCB'ers, come on, lets move on and get back to what matters most.....not getting taxed out of our homes and finding creative ways to fight back..... come on now, lets get back to basics!

Mad As Hell

Sat May 10 19:40:06 2008 - [PDD summit] By: Danny G
Voter & Tom A: There's a chance to address these issues with the PDD...the summit. I've yet to receive any interest from DCB'ers to attend.

Sat May 10 19:05:18 2008 - [Lowlifes & Trustfunders obsess over DCB] By: Tom A
Tony and others,

What’s wrong with you?

This whole little charade has taken the focus off of the ineffectivety of the Ne$$$$$$$$$ regime and a very screwed up city.

Can you not see that two of Ne$$$$$$$$'s closest cronies, the co-founders of that PDD, have been shooting off at the mouths about suing because they’re trying to protect their super hero Ne$$$$$$$$$ - Master of the Scooterverse.

Nobody with half a brain has any case against Tony or anyone else who uses the name Starfire, Star Fire, or Starflake. Get real.

Then there’s that WIDELOAD from Chester Pork coming out from under her rock again saying the Duluth News Tribune needs to do a story. She thinks WIDELOAD was referring to her derriere, but there isn’t a sign big enough to cover her air intake. What an idiot and even dumber are those that listen to her.

Look at PDD and you’ll see about 200 posts on 3 threads about the DCB. Talk about dumb, there aren’t 200 posts in the next 10 threads. These lowlifes and their trust fund baby backers are obsessed with the DCB. Tony you’ve got to cut them off. There trying to wreck a good thing with their childish crap. The motive is easy to see, they don’t want an alternative voice. Wake up Bucko!

And last butt not last, what’s with this Cheerleader. Does he wear a pink leotard under his cheerleader outfit driving his buddies between JT’s and the Main Club in his taxi? What a waste of testosterone. This guy looks like the Bald Headed Chicken Focker who’s telling critics of the RED plan to shut up in today’s Budgeteer. I guess I’d do that for $200,000 a year, but hell if I’ll wear a cheerleader outfit or take his cab.

Sat May 10 18:30:48 2008 - [A couple of bricks short of a load] By: Voter
Look I got honorable mention from some idiot over on the pud pounders site. These idiots are even studying our "prose and stylistic similarities". I've never had this kind of power over anybody in my life. I don't know whether to celebrate or go hide. It all seems so very sick. Someone who spends that kind of time pondering over who posts or doesn't post here has to be a couple of bricks short of a load. Sorry if some of you got left out. he he

Idiotic Quote: "But i know that I know people that post there, and I know through prose and stylistic similarities that they use multiple handles. In short, Ben Dover, Numbers Cruncher, voter, Tara, BS, casual observer, pitt street, etc, do not refer to themselves as that at work or even at the bar at Blackwoods with their friends."

Sat May 10 09:01:49 2008 - [Local feud of the week!] By: LIB Reader Online
WHILE READING THE LIB ONLINE FOR FREE AND SAVING ENERGY AND MONEY I FOUND THIS VERY INTERESTING.

Local feud of the week! Comments
Mr. Stahl,


http://www.areavoices.com/buzz/?page=comments&blog=26776

Fri May 9 22:51:53 2008 - [Be advised] By: Counsel
The poster known as Barrett on http://www.perfectduluthday.com has publicly defamed and made libelous statements against the original registrant of the http://www.duluthcitizensblog.com/

A registrant is the person or company who registers a domain name. For example, Joe Smith (registrant) registers the name joesmith.com through 1stDomain.net (registrar) who in turn submits the name to the central database (Registry).

The registrant is not the owner as stated in Exhibit A (below) by the poster Barrett on the Perfect Duluth Day at the following url:

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2008/05/any_lawyers_out_there.html

Exhibit A

The people you need to bring legal action against is DELETED, the owners of the DCB domain. "Designers" or not, this business is responsible for the DCB.
Posted by: Barrett May 7, 2008 03:03 PM

Be advised actual damages to recover from the economic losses suffered, and punitive damages against the person(s) who make the remarks will be sought.

Information on the poster known as Barrett and others on http://www.perfectduluthday.com is currently being compiled.

Responsible parties of http://www.perfectduluthday.com, further be advised that the deleting, destruction or hiding of evidence relevant to a pending legal proceeding is a violation of federal law.

Fri May 9 22:21:10 2008 - [Need to give peace a chance] By: Sad Duluth Day
Dear Happy Duluth Day,

The word on the street is that big money is behind the "rump runners" (your term, not mine) activities. It is a common tactic of the wealthy left, those who have money and financial security to create a "front" or "occupation" to give the impression that they are "common" people of limited means.



Danny G. Regarding your "modest proposal", I appreciate your good will and altruistic intentions to promote harmony here in Duluth, however only a fool would voluntarily show up for their own lynching.

If we're going to have a thriving community for our children, we need to give peace a chance. Good night and take care.

Fri May 9 21:49:33 2008 - [Mayor's henchmen unintended consequenses] By: Horatio C
The people you need to bring legal action against is DELETED, the owners of the DCB domain. "Designers" or not, this business is responsible for the DCB.
Posted by: Barrett May 7, 2008 03:03 PM

Huitz, it's defamation. This person is trying to persuade his readers that he is indeed Scott Lunt, and is actively trying to damage his reputation.
Posted by: Barrett May 8, 2008 03:34 PM

I wonder if this Barrett is the same douchebag in the picture with Mayor Don Ness in the May 2, 2008 picture on PDD. If so, this is awesome now that this guy who is making false allegations was part of the Mayor's team as well. If it turns out these guys are somehow connected, It would be great to be the Mayor's next opponent. This could turn out to be the single best piece of literature in the future. This Barrett is calling for trying to take out a web designer of a website which has been at times quite critical of the Mayor's lack of leadership. You couldn't ask for a better gift to watch Ness dragged through the mud because of his own henchmen. Where do you think the finger is going to be pointing?

As far as this claim that seems to be changing every hour as it gets hyped on PDD, I have looked through the archives and found absolutely no impersonations whatsoever as are being claimed. Good luck with that one whoever you are in trying to claim impersonation. The t-shirt conversation has been going on for months at the DCB. One DCB blogger wrote about t-shirts to Starfire at DCB, but Starfire did not respond. Wouldn't you think that if someone was trying to impersonate a t-shirt guy that this would have been a perfect opportunity.

Here is that post: Tue May 6 23:49:46 2008 - "DCB is out to clean up Duluth!
By: Blue Duck
Question for Starfire. Has a final decision been reached regarding the DCB T-Shirts and new logos ? I have a DCB logo suggestion. "Whether it's dog shit or DFL'ers, DCB is out to clean up Duluth!"

Here is more of this guys claim:

Dear Danny,
A 40 year old man is not upset that someone is using the name Starfire. A 40 year old man is upset because someone is using the name Starfire and claiming to be me. There is a slight difference.
um...yeah.
Posted by: starfire May 8, 2008 08:27 AM


Fri May 9 16:08:16 2008 This Starfire, who mistakenly believes only HE can use that nickname, just turned 40: http://www.nessformayor.com/scott

DCB management, I sent the photo of Ness from May 2, 2008 on PDD and entries from the Mayor's henchmen from the thread of this false allegation to you in case it mysteriously disappears and is needed for future use.

This could be real fun!

Thanks in advance Tony


Fri May 9 20:54:38 2008 - [PDD & DCB are all decent people] By: larry
having met most of the regulars on the perfect duluth day, i can vouch that most of them are perfectly nice, intellitgent, industrious people. unless, of course, you repeatedly spew dumb insults at or impersonate them via the internet.

i'm sure you're decent people in real life, too. but the internet sure does dehumanize us.

also: there is nothing haughty or elitist about organizing fun, creative things for people to do. if you're bored or offended by such endeavors, you're free, of course, to start some of your own.

Fri May 9 19:19:05 2008 - [Never outted] By: Starfar
Danny G: Your proposal would never be accepted by DCB, which would essentially out the identities of the moderators.

Fri May 9 16:48:41 2008 - [Proof and not just assertions] By: Phil K.
MODERATOR: Phil, What proof, if any, do you have to substantiate your assertions.

Fri May 9 16:27:18 2008 - [Danny proposes a get together in June ] By: Danny G
A MODEST PROPOSAL
Let me start by saying that I am posting this on both Duluth Citizens Blog and Perfect Duluth Day at the same time. Lately, we’ve all been witness to a string of hatred on both sites towards the regular posters and proprietors of the supposed opposing blog. Members of PDD and DCB both have participated in accusations, name-calling, and general anger towards regular posters whom they feel are in the wrong. It has gotten out of control.

On today’s episode of my equally maligned (by many members of both sites) podcast DANNY DOES DULUTH a thought came up to propose some sort of an inter-site, public summit where members of both DCB and PDD can get together and try to solve the issues causing so much tension. After thinking about it for a few hours, I’m now beginning to realize that maybe this is something that can become more than just a thought, but an actual concept. My proposal is this: sometime in the month of June we set aside a specific day, most-likely on a Saturday during early evening hours where we all get together and try to just get along. The venue would be an agreed upon bar in town, somewhere we can all be comfortable. I am happy to field suggestions as to the locale. Also, I would like to know who has the courage and honesty to attend an event such as this. In my mind, a minimum of 5-10 people from both sites would be needed in the interest of fairness and variety of conversation. Please contact me by either replying to this post, commenting on this post, or sending me an email to dannydoesduluth@live.com if you are interested in attending an event such as this. I see it as a win-win situation.

Fri May 9 16:08:16 2008 - [Local haughty, creative class copiers] By: NewsHound
The denizens of PDD aren't kids, they're middle aged, albeit driving 20 year old cars. This Starfire, who mistakenly believes only HE can use that nickname, just turned 40:

http://www.nessformayor.com/scott

It's the same group of people that started the Ripsaw, then the Reader, and now the Transistor. Plus the Geek Prom, Homegrown, Green Man, etc. It's our local haughty, creative class at work copying the Twin Cities haughty, creative class, who copied Chicago's haughty, creative class, who copied New York's haughty creative class, who copied.....

Which of course entitles them to their superior attitude - we're all too dumb to realize they can't come up with any original ideas themselves.

Fri May 9 14:21:57 2008 - [They aren't working hard enough] By: Phil K.
Johnny T. you are so right. What a bunch of slackers. If they have time to enjoy life and what the city has to offer, they aren't working hard enough!

Fri May 9 13:50:19 2008 - [Juvenile name calling by both sides] By: Newbie
Ok, I know nothing about this blog and came to check it out after seeing the hoopla over at PDD. I have to ask though. What is the story behind using "Duluth Rump Runners" and "limp wristed ball asses"? I'm new and I'm curious what a rump runner is. Personally, I don't care what people on this blog talk about. This appears to be a political blog while PDD seems to be more about art, culture, and general geeky things. Why there is arguing between the two sites makes no sense to me. Name calling (from both sides) seems a bit juvenile though doesn't it?

Fri May 9 13:28:07 2008 - [Absolutely love living here] By: Danny G
DANNY DOES DULUTH-EPISODE 37-EATING BEAVER (stew)
It's times like this that make me absolutely love living here. Lots and lots of great material on this episode. It almost seems like people are doing things just to be part of the show. On today's episode:
-Danny is flawed
-Another attempt at Where In Duluth Is Ronald
-The greatest Northland NewsCenter clip of all time
-Would the real Starfire please stand up?
-Danny's Nazi weinerdog provides analysis of recent local canine stories
Enjoy!

www.dannydoesduluth.com
or
www.lewlattolive.com

Fri May 9 09:01:07 2008 - [PDD, trust funders & uneducated ] By: Johnny T
What to you get when you mix a group of trust funders with a bunch of uneducated know if all welfare sucking parasites? PDD. Just think how much of your money is going to pay for some of these individuals housing, heating assistance, food, and unfortunately, because of our messed up system, money for drinking, drugs, and computers to spread their hate and anger.

PDD, if this is Duluth's arts culture, the city is in big trouble. It's a bunch of delinquent kids who are trying to show their parents how smart they are and failing miserably, I might add. They should go back home to mommy and daddy and enroll back in the schools they dropped out of and attend some counseling sessions to get some help with the issues that many clearly possess.

Fri May 9 06:55:03 2008 - [Smooth Criminal] By: Evil Starfire
Smooth Criminal - Starfire vs Evil Starfire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEj8AaTTISk

You're right Adam, you can't make this stuff up!

Fri May 9 06:50:44 2008 - [No lost souls will live on for...ever] By: Evil Starfire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y3HPAF9j5M

Starfire
By:
Dragonforce

Outside on a winter's night when the rain begins to fall
There's a chill in the air and the howl of the wolf
And the rain beats at the door

Seven kings will ride on the wind up towards the mountains high
And the only sound that will break the air is the warrior's bitter cry

When the dawn of a new sun will see the day
Then the strongest hearts grow old
And the warrior stands on top of the hill in the snow

Dark night with a glimmering light in the distance up ahead
In the forest they dwell with a misty spell no one hears what once was said
And the eagle fly through the clouds while the earth bleeds dark and cold
When the voices of men will ring out again all creation shall unfold

When the color of night will fade to light
And the mysteries unfold
And the warrior stands on top of the hill in the snow

And we're standing one and all fighting 'til we fall
Hoping for a better day
Never giving in until we find the words, 'til we find the words to say
Until we find the words to say...

Burning starfire, shine in the sky
For the lives of great men, who stand by your side
When the night falls, on we stagger
For no lost souls will live on forever

Midnight on the valley below still the horsemen follow through
There's a forest that leads to the foot of the hill that inside the magic holds
Seven strong they ride on along to the place where sorrow lies
And the shadow of the night will no longer hide all their mysteries come
undone

When the dusk of a full moon will see the light
And the weaker hearts go cold
And the warrior stands on top of the hill in the snow

And we're standing one and all fighting 'til we fall
Hoping for a better day
Never giving in until we find the words, 'til we find the words to say
Until we find the words to say...

Burning starfire, shine in the sky
For the lives of great men, who stand by your side
When the night falls, on we will ride
For no lost souls will live on forever

And we're standing one and all, fighting 'til we fall
Hoping for a better day
Never giving in until we find the words, 'til we find the words to say
Until we find the words to say...

Burning starfire, shine in the sky
For the lives of great men, who stand by our side
When the night falls, on we will ride
For no lost souls will live on forever

No lost souls will live on for...ever

Fri May 9 00:31:27 2008 - [Duluth Rump Running Ball Asses!] By: Adam R
You can't make this shit up that the limp wristed ball asses at Duluth Rump Runners are whining about. What happened, did someone's boyfriend get caught cheating with another rump runner?

How many rump running ball asses does it take to figure out that one of their own is a fake?

What is next, they try to steal Tony's name? Get some creativity and quit your balling.

Thu May 8 23:45:45 2008 - [Rump Runners want answers] By: Happy Duluth Day
Sad Duluth Day, can you prove the PDD rump runners are all trust fund kids? I await your answer ....

Thu May 8 23:33:18 2008 - [PDDer stole name from Dragonforce?] By: Backfire
Starfire on PDD had better take a look in the mirror. There is a song entitled Starfire By: Dragonforce

Is there where PDD Starfire stole the name?

Thu May 8 23:03:11 2008 - [Starfire Wars: Danny Does Duluth 5/9/08] By: Danny G
Starfire Wars: The Citizens Strike Back

Check out tomorrow's episode of the award-winning DANNY DOES DULUTH (found at www.lewlattolive.com).

Thu May 8 23:02:39 2008 - [More Proof of Girly Men at Rump Runners] By: Victim Detector
MORE PROOF OF GIRLY MEN AT THE RUMP RUNNER RANGE. POSTED ON PDD. IS THIS THAT BALD HEADED DOUCHE BAG IN A MINI-SKIRT AND TIGHT SWEATER WITH A BIG J ON IT?

The Starfire on DCB has made statements on a number of occasions that would lead the reader to believe he is Scott Lunt. They should stop that bullshit.

Posted by: The Cheerleader

Thu May 8 22:56:09 2008 - [When will Tony be back?] By: Barb J
Who's moderating tonight and can you answer when will Tony be back?

Thu May 8 22:53:31 2008 - [Vallejo CA here we come!] By: Butch
Looking at the productive types at PDD, Duluth will easy go bankrupt if this crowd is Duluth’s future. What will be their new artsy fartsy theme song? Vallejo CA here we come!

I don’t know how those morons produce enough to feed a family let alone sustain a healthy prospering community.

Thu May 8 22:45:31 2008 - [Easy to see] By: Pitt Street Panther
Is this what they are talking about at PDD? Haven't seen anything worthy of a lawsuit here? Has anyone else? These kooks just want to shut down the DCB, it's easy to see.

North Star Fire Department
7700 Pequaywan Lake Road
Duluth, MN 55803

For Sale: For Sale 1971 432 Polaris Starfire - $1000 - (Duluth) Craigslist

STARFIRE LOUNGE

Thu May 8 22:40:07 2008 - [Too much time ] By: Hillsider
Yeah, PDD spends way too much time talking about music, Homegrown, t shirts and art and not nearly enough time bitching about potholes, aquariums and retiree health care.

Thu May 8 22:30:40 2008 - [Bad karma bunched panties] By: Victim Detector
DOES THE MODERATOR STARFIRE WEAR PANTIES? THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK OR STARFILE IS A GIRL OR GIRLY MAN. SAY IT AIN'T SO, PLEASE. BELOW IS FROM THE PDD.

Its like when Starfire made and sold t-shirts that said Kozy Bar on them though he has nothing to do with that bar, he profited by using another business name for his own benefit. Not to mention make fun of the Lady from lakeside at the same time

Now he has his panties in a bunch because he thinks he owns his nickname and someone is using it.

What goes around comes around.

Karma is a bitch

Get over it, and by the way did you give yourself that nickname?

10-4 Good buddy

Posted by: Shawn May 8, 2008 10:45 AM


Thu May 8 22:17:35 2008 - [PDD cyberspace lynch mob] By: Sad Duluth Day
Take a look at PDD, the trust fund kids are at it again. They are nothing more than a cyberspace lynch mob. Good lord, so much hate and anger.

Thu May 8 21:32:49 2008 - [Where in the world is Tony Ramone?] By: Chicken Man
The Rump Runners are stampeding!

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2008/05/any_lawyers_out_there.html#comments

I've never seen so many comments on the PDD blog. These people have way too much time on their hands. Where in the world is Tony Ramone? When we he be back?

Thu May 8 20:00:54 2008 - [Got gas?] By: Denny A.H
Wan't FREE Gas??? Stop at Taco John's then. About an hour after you eat a Burrito, you will have enough Gas to drive to the Cities.

Thu May 8 18:34:09 2008 - [Time to start a scooter dealership] By: Butch S.
Someone should start up a Scooter Dealer in town. You can buy a Scooter on-line for far cheaper than any dealer in town and they will ship it to you FREE. If a guy purchased some $1,000 Scooters and advertised properly, I bet one could sell a ton around town. 120 MPG on most of them and you don't need a license to drive around town. Not on the freeways though as you need a Motorcycle License for that.

Thu May 8 18:26:51 2008 - [Gas is expensive everywhere] By: Hillsider
"Gas in California is now $4.43 a gallon."

Cry me a river. Call a Waaaambulance...

Call your Congressman...this aggression will not stand, man!

Gas is expensive everywhere...get used to it.

Thu May 8 11:29:28 2008 - [Gas now $4.43 a gallon in California] By: Casual Observer
Gas in Califonia is now $4.43 a gallon.

Thu May 8 10:15:11 2008 - [Public welcome to get involved] By: Harry W
The School Board meets at 5:15PM to discuss further bonding. The public will not be able to speak but perhaps some would like to show up to let the Board know its not getting away with anything unnoticed.

Let Duluth Vote meets tonight at the Duluth Community Club at 6:30 PM for those who would like to pick up their pitchforks and torches to fight the monster.

Thu May 8 10:12:58 2008 - [District expedites to beat Jaros Bill! ] By: Harry W
Duluth School District Maneuvers to Beat the Jaros Bill

The Duluth School District has called two previously unscheduled meetings to expedite the final borrowing for the Red Plan and beat the clock before the state legislature can enact the Jaros Bill which would require a referendum and public approval to continue with the project.

The first of these meeting is today at 5:15 PM. It will be a Committee of the whole to discuss the expedited $111 million in borrowing. The next meeting is four days from today, Monday, May 12. That will be a special meeting to approve the bonds. Such meetings are often held to deal with emergencies. Beating the law’s enactment is such an emergency for the unpopular Red Plan. Such meetings are often held without public input so the public may have no opportunity to voice dissatisfaction with the Red Plan or the prematurely approved bonds.

What Senator Tom Bakk or Representative Mike Jaros who are carrying the changes to the law that the District hopes to escape is not known at this time.


Thu May 8 00:03:44 2008 - [You assume I have a contract] By: Big Iron
You're just a little late correcting all of your spelling mistakes, Ben. Nice try. Don't criticize someone until you have your own house in order. I have no idea why you think I have a contract. You assume I do after I take a position opposite of yours. Now some juvenile assumes I'm Eli. Rubes indeed.

Wed May 7 22:33:09 2008 - [Duluth not alone and not far behind] By: Dave
Duluth is not alone and not far behind.

Nobody wants bankruptcy, but there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of options left,'' said city councilwoman Joanne Schivley. ``We are going to be out of money by June 30. It's all a numbers game now.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=atl3yFmV508A&refer=news

Wed May 7 22:10:11 2008 - [Home Depot store closings] By: casual observer
These are the stores that are closing. If all you doomsdayers would stop wishing bad things on the city and to a search on google you would have known the poor cities losing jobs.

East Fort Wayne, Ind.
Marion, Ind.
Frankfort, Ky.
Opelousas, La.
Cottage Grove, Minn.
East Brunswick, N.J.
Saddle Brook, N.J.
Rome, N.Y.
Bismarck, N.D.
Findlay, Ohio
Lima, Ohio
Brattleboro, Vt.
Beaver Dam, Wis.
Fond du Lac, Wis.
Milwaukee
Source: Home Depot

Wed May 7 21:15:42 2008 - [Potential] By: Barry C.
If Home Depot closes in Dullyouth, they should put an Aquarium there.

Wed May 7 19:14:25 2008 - [Home Depot will close 15 stores] By: Hillsider
"US - Home Depot is to close 15 stores, and cut capital spending by $1 billion (£509m) over the next three years, to improve cash flow and provide strong returns for shareholders.

The stores are located in 10 states on the East coast, and in the South, Midwest and West.

The news comes a month after it reorganised its human resources staffing and shed 970 jobs; meanwhile, the start of this year has been somewhat unprecedented for the diy retailer as its laid off 500 people from the company headquarters in January, and in February reported its first-ever year-on-year sales decline.

Home Depot said it will continue with plans to open 55 new US stores, the majority beginning in the financial year 2009.

It is estimated the store closings will cost $186m (£95m) including stock markdowns of $11m (£6m) and severance payments of $8m (£4m)."

Wed May 7 18:51:21 2008 - [Home Depot closing all over country] By: Mike S.
Heard that Home Depot is Closing Stores all over the Country. I wonder if Duluth will be chopped? Bad Economy as no one is buying Lumber.

Wed May 7 18:41:54 2008 - [I need the $ to fill my 57' caddy] By: Buford P.
Why are we sending money in record numbers to this third world country who had a hell of a rain storm? We cannot even take care of the people living in the USA or your neighbors. Come on people, send your checks to me. I need the cash to fill my 1957 caddy.

Wed May 7 17:19:36 2008 - [Another bank robbery today] By: Tara
B as in B and S as in S are you sure it's not B as in Brandon and S as in Stahl? Another bank robbery today.

Wed May 7 16:50:45 2008 - [Locals Gone Wild] By: Web Hound
Anyone hear that another outstamding "local" citizen turned to crime today and robbed the USBank? The title of this post should be "Locals Gone Wild".

Duluth police investigate possible robbery at US Bank
Duluth News Tribune
Published Wednesday, May 07, 2008

Duluth Police are investigating a reported bank robbery at the US Bank at 130 W. Superior St.

Officers were dispatched to the bank at 12:06 p.m., patrol supervisor Sgt. Cheryl Rolland said. Officers are still on the scene.

Rolland didn’t have a description of the suspect, and said police expect to release more information later today.

Bank officials had no comment this afternoon.



Wed May 7 16:26:48 2008 - [The most prominent Starfire ] By: Purely Fictional
For all you legal beagles at PDD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfire_(comics)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Ten things you may not know about images on Wikipedia •Jump to: navigation, search
Starfire is the name of several fictional comic book characters in the DC Comics universe. The most prominent Starfire is Koriand'r, a superheroine and a founding member of the New Teen Titans. She was created by Marv Wolfman and George Pérez in DC Comics Presents #26 (October 1980).


Wed May 7 14:45:28 2008 - [Have a Perfect Duluth Day!] By: PDD RUBE
STARFIRE: Have a Perfect Duluth Day!

Wed May 7 13:02:26 2008 - [Hearing to determine off leash trails ] By: B as in B and S as in S
FYI I attended the Parks and Rec public meeting last week at the Hillside Community Center. The public hearing was to determine which if any of 8 identified BRAND NEW potential trail sites could be recommended for development by volunteers at NO CITY EXPENSE.
The City Council has the final word assuming no mayoral veto of any actions.
I believe the citizen rquesting info from the city attorney was at the meeting and is opposed to any form of off leash trails beyond the two existing parks. By the way he exceeded his speaking time and was asked nicely to finish up by the committee chair. After rambling for another 5 minutes or so another citizen told him his two minutes were up and he should sit down and/or go back to New York. IMHO the guy was either exaggerating about his personal experiences or in deep need of psychological help. I think the city should charge him accordingly by the page or by the hour for the information requested.

On another related note: The two cemetaries I frequent with my dog are far more polluted by goose and duck feces than irresponsibly neglected dog doo.
It always comes down to the irresponsible few screw it up for the majority and the usual lack of enforcement of existing laws compounds the problem.
On another related note: IMHO the off leash dog trail idea appears to have been initiated to provide a place for pet owners to let their animals get plenty of exercise without imposing on other existing specific use and multi use trails in Duluth. The trailblazing and maintenance including dog doo removal was to be up to users and volunteers at no city expense.

Wed May 7 12:51:52 2008 - [Starfire, a well known Mod at the DCB ] By: bystander
STARFIRE: bystander, your comments will be taken under advisement. I don't know of any other "Starfires", but the businessman you made reference to may indeed be trying to copy and use for himself as and alias "Starfire" as it is a well known name of a moderator on Duluth's preeminent blog, the DCB, where the action is! You may want to ask this other person if they would be so kind as to stop using this name to bring an end to any confusion which may arise. Tony Ramone is currently out of the country, but when he returns, I could bring this to his attention if somebody you know would be interested in purchasing the name "Starfire" for a donation to the DCB on agreeable terms. I am not sure if this can even happen as I am not aware of any copyright on this name.

Wed May 7 11:46:45 2008 - [Latest on Vallejo, CA bankruptcy] By: Rick S
Latest on Vallejo CA bankruptcy... http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_9180430

Wed May 7 11:38:42 2008 - [If it wasn't so sick we could laugh!] By: Mad as Hell
Ben Dover:

Thank You for saying it like it is! You are 100% on the mark. When I tried to explain the same issue, they accused me of being a future 'mass murderer' LOL! But thats the way special interest ungrateful unions in this town work.

Pig Iron, errrr I mean Eli, your day will come and Ben and the rest of us will have a drink over your dead contract! OPPS????? Does that imply some kind of threat? LOL, Oh if it wasn't so sick we could laugh!

Wed May 7 10:32:05 2008 - [Hope Duluth follows this example ] By: Ben Dover
Pig Iron: I wasn't criticizing your spelling. I was making reference to how the computer makes life easy for guys even with the most basic thinking skills like yourself.

Guys that say, "I have a contract." "I have a contract." "I have a contract."

Okay Rube, we all understand you have a contract. You have told us that almost every day. Now read what happens when rubes like you are too greedy and look at the case in Vallejo, CA. I hope Duluth follows this example and we get move forward, go bankrupt, clean house, and start over.

Yes, that's right, and I will be the guy laughing the loudest when it happens here to watch all the grubs have to head out and actually work for a living.

Wed May 7 08:47:09 2008 - [Stop the giveaways and the pilfering 1st] By: Tree Top
Further investigation Web House reveals that there is much the city can do to stave off this dilemma. One news story says that "To meet the fiscal demands, Tanner is proposing millions in staffing and other cuts as well as the possible sale of city-owned land. He also said the city would propose fees on false 9-1-1 calls and a 9-1-1 fee to help fund the police communications center.

In addition, Tanner proposed that as many as 40 city employee positions be eliminated, including 12 sworn police officer positions."

Duluth just added six more firemen and numerous other city employees. Duluth should make do with what they have. Reorganize, rethink the use of available resources and manpower.

The retirees had nothing to do with this pending doom. Why put it on the backs of those who can least afford it. Stop the giveaways and the pilfering of the city coffers first.

Wed May 7 08:47:09 2008 - [Duluth-Stop the giveaways & pilfering ] By: Tree Top
Further investigation Web House reveals that there is much the city can do to stave off this dilemma. One news story says that "To meet the fiscal demands, Tanner is proposing millions in staffing and other cuts as well as the possible sale of city-owned land. He also said the city would propose fees on false 9-1-1 calls and a 9-1-1 fee to help fund the police communications center.

In addition, Tanner proposed that as many as 40 city employee positions be eliminated, including 12 sworn police officer positions."

Duluth just added six more firemen and numerous other city employees. Duluth should make do with what they have. Reorganize, rethink the use of available resources and manpower.

The retirees had nothing to do with this pending doom. Why put it on the backs of those who can least afford it. Stop the giveaways and the pilfering of the city coffers first.

Wed May 7 07:54:44 2008 - [Municipal bankruptcy is very possible ] By: Web Hound
Vallejo, CA, a city of 120,000 is filing bankruptcy.

Vallejo faces a $9 million budget shortfall and soaring payroll costs for its firefighters and police officers, whose pay and benefits make up nearly 80 percent of the city's general fund budget.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23385758

I wonder if Vallejo has been funding fish tanks, train studies, wet houses, free retiree health care, and the big one scooters?

Rest assured Duluthians as you can count on Ne$$$$$$$$$ to sell the scooters. Now let’s tackle the rest of the $5 million Duluth shortfall and of course not put any money aside to the contracted retiree health care.

The scooters have sold, right? Municipal bankruptcy is very possible Duluth. Oh what a me$$!

Wed May 7 00:54:34 2008 - [Precedent has been set] By: Big Iron
Oh no! I was 1 letter off! Poor Ben is reduced to spelling smack. About 5 years from now, after hearings, lawsuits, trials and appeals, the City of Duluth will lose it's case. Precedent has been set. How fitting you have chosen the right name here.

Wed May 7 00:31:35 2008 - [Cemeteries off leash right now] By: Ben Dover
One of the worst offenses in my estimation by dog owners is when they abuse our local cemeteries. For some people these are sacred places to go and reflect and not to walk through mine field upon mine field of dog crap. I would bet the highest percentage of dogs off leash right now is in the cemeteries.

It is so nice how these people put their own self interests before those of the families with family members buried there and to treat our veterans with such disrespect these dog owners should be ashamed.

Wed May 7 00:16:42 2008 - [No shortage of A -wipe ] By: Ben Dover
Pig Iron wrotes: "Poor Ben does not seem to understand the ramifications of a US Appellate Court ruling."

Thank goodness for spell check so that at least you can spell Appellate Court correctly. I am not convinced that you even know what an A-p-p-e-l-l-a-t-e Court really is. But, you do have a "contract" so ass wipe you shall never be short of.

Tue May 6 23:55:47 2008 - [Big juris doctorate ] By: Blue Duck
Big Iron, where did you receive your juris doctorate ?

Tue May 6 23:54:57 2008 - [Simply doomed to under achieve] By: Muffin Top
When you have Mayors such as former Mayor Herb Bergson and current Mayor Don Ne$$$$$$$$$ that are servants of the city employee unions, Duluth will most likely go bankrupt before the politicians do what has to be done, seek a declarative judgment on the retirees health care. How many years have been wasted?

The declarative judgement process will take at least 2 years, but oh no we have dog do-do to deal with and other self serving matters that equally add to the horrendous condition of Duluth.

Poor streets and sewers, poverty twice that of the rest of the state, low wages and more aren’t bad enough for those who haven’t voted with their feet and moved. Duluth is simply doomed to under achieve.

Tue May 6 23:49:46 2008 - [DCB is out to clean up Duluth!] By: Blue Duck
Question for Starfire. Has a final decision been reached regarding the DCB T-Shirts and new logos ?

I have a DCB logo suggestion.

"Whether it's dog shit or DFL'ers, DCB is out to clean up Duluth!"

Tue May 6 23:41:06 2008 - [Ramifications of a US Appellate Court ] By: Big Iron
Among other things, poor Ben does not seem to understand the ramifications of a US Appellate Court ruling.

Tue May 6 23:29:51 2008 - [Pot Stirring to Soviet beerhaus] By: First A
Wow. Starfire? The same ultra LIB from the Soviet beerhaus? Is that you? DELETED

STARFIRE: Yes, I am Starfire.

Tue May 6 23:28:47 2008 - [Follow the money] By: Just A. Thought
Plymoth, MN. Fire: Calls for service yearly 1400

Duluth, MN. Fire: Calls for service yearly 8000

STARFIRE: Most expensive fire department in the state per capita.

Tue May 6 23:25:45 2008 - [Too many pot stirrers ] By: First A
DELETED

STARFIRE: First A, if you know the letter writer’s name why are you stirring the pot?

Tue May 6 23:25:28 2008 - [Unite] By: Bubba
Dog lovers of the world unite! http://www.moveforwardduluth.com

Tue May 6 23:06:08 2008 - [Is this letter hostile?] By: First A
Oken. No Dog. Web Hound. Glad to know that you're not admitting to hyping this "passionate issue" So is this letter hostile? I think it is. Just a funny tactic. posting some anonymous letter. Then claiming some hands off air. You either wrote the letter yourself or are protecting the identity of someone you support.

STARFIRE: The letter writers name is available by using the Data Practices Act if you wish to request it.

Tue May 6 23:04:30 2008 - [Rrestaurants similar to DECC ] By: Keith
Hey Adam, these kooks want to bring dogs in to restaurants. You’re not far off on the DECC comment.

Tue May 6 23:00:40 2008 - [The Data Practices Act is our right] By: Claire
First A the name was most likely deleted because of psychos like you. I suppose you support the Bush regime and the Patriot Act as long as it doesn’t get used on you. The Data Practices Act is our right.

Tue May 6 22:55:24 2008 - [Forget no leash areas, enforce pet laws] By: Adam R
Dog Lover, Whoever wrote that understands the problems Duluth already has with dog owners who think of their damn dogs as humans. We have some sick individuals in this city when it comes to dogs that is for sure. All a leash free area will provide is another place for Minnesota Nice Duluthians to bring their dogs to crap and then haul them back home again.

How about enforcing the laws on the books regarding leash laws and picking up after dogs and barking. If these laws are enforced and compliance is acceptable, then and only then should the city attempt to allow more areas for dog owners. But Duluthians have a pathetic track record when it comes to compliance. It is ridiculous to reward dog owners for not complying with the laws already on the books.

What is next, extra seats in the new DECC for the hounds? I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Let's forget about this BS and get to work on bigger city problems and start cleaning up after old Fido instead of leaving the shit for other Duluthians to pick up.

Where do all the Bozos out there think that all the Kaka left from the last 6 months along the trails and yards and streets is going right now? That's right, right in the lake. Geez, I wonder why Park Point has to be shut down for contamination every year.

Let's get the shit together people and quit trying to make this town a white trash run down hell hole unsafe and unhealthy to even live in.

Tue May 6 22:52:04 2008 - [No bone in this dog fight, you?] By: Web Hound
First A,

First you call someone who wrote a letter a “pot stirrer”, and then you think I a poster and hyping the dog issue. Too much caffeine or what? Take a deep breath or ten, and relax.

I read the letter and it looked to me like a simple request for information from the government who represents all of the people, not just one on a particular side of a passionate issue.

For the record, I don’t have a bone in this dog fight. Do you?

Tue May 6 22:51:03 2008 - [Letter reeks of hostility & entitlement] By: First A
The way I see this - the letter writer is threatening Allison. The letter writer has an agenda that they think is somehow protected by statute. It is aggressive and reeks of hostility and entitlement. So my questions is WHY? Who thinks that they can demand such stupid info? Anyone?

Tue May 6 22:43:12 2008 - [City has no money for doggie do-gooders] By: BEEF
What’s a waste of time is all these doggie do-gooders that have no respect for others and their property. What the heck is Duluth dumping tons of money it doesn’t have into animal housing and city employees? These doggie do-gooders don’t even pick up their dog droppings in others yards, parks, and the lakewalk. Enough is enough and this is Nesses change to say no to wasting more money the city doesn’t have.

Tue May 6 22:41:34 2008 - [Hyping the issue] By: First A
So Web hound you approve the posts here? My post hadn't been published before you posted your response. And you are hyping this issue? Why? What do you care about dogs?

Tue May 6 22:36:13 2008 - [Data compliance is a serious matter] By: Web Hound
First A,

I read the letter and did a search on the MN Data Practices Officer. This person is the responsible party for seeing that the MN Data Practice Statute is properly adhered to. It looks like the Data Practices Office is who people make a request to when they want specific information regarding the government they employ. If compliance is not followed, this appears to be a serious matter.

Here is the link to the statute:
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/revisor/pages/statute/statute_chapter_toc.php?chapter=13

Looking at this statute, a person can even look at the personnel files of government staff that are not under a pending investigation. I wonder what you would find in Sharla Gardner’s or Alan Netland’s files? This could be very interesting.

Tue May 6 22:06:09 2008 - [Taking the time of city staff] By: First A
Who on earth wrote this stupid letter? Is this a joke? Does this stuff really take the time of the city staff? And why Allison?

Tue May 6 21:42:46 2008 - [No money for selfish "pet" projects] By: Tara
What's all this about dogs? What's next, dogs are equal to people? Some people and their pets are so selfish. Breaking news Duluth, you've got bigger problems and don't have extra money for your "pet" project.

Tue May 6 21:01:49 2008 - [Dog crap and the pot stirrer] By: First A
So you're going to post this dog crap and protect the name of the pot stirrer?

Tue May 6 19:08:31 2008 - [Only chance to vote on the Red Plan] By: LIB Reader Online
This may be your only chance to vote on the Red Plan on the LIB online poll, where you can read for free and save lots of energy and money.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/


Do you support Rep. Mike Jaros' attempt to impede Duluth schools' 'red plan'?

Tue May 6 17:18:11 2008 - [Smaller modern cities requires less] By: Rick S
Danny G. One little problem with your comparison of Duluth Fire with Rochester and Plymouth is that Duluth Fire has over twice the square miles inside of the city limits to cover which requires more fire halls and more firemen to staff them. Duluth is 87.3 sq mi., Rochester 39.8 and Plymouth 35.3. Plymouth MN where per capita income is much higher also has more modern housing which is far less prone to serious fires.

Tue May 6 16:28:32 2008 - [Unleashed] By: Dog Lover
Another CAVE person has surfaced.

May 5, 2008

Allison Lutterman, Data Practices Officer

City of Duluth

Duluth, Minnesota

Ms. Lutterman:

Please provide the following public data under the Minnesota Data
Practices Act. This data is needed promptly to assist in completion
of a petition to the Minnesota Environmental Quality Board for public
and environmental review of recommended off-leash dog trails. Most
data should be at the finger tips of Parks and Recreation
Commissioners and staff and easily retrievable. Please provide below
requested data in the next few days:

1. copies of all recently received citizen e-mails, letters and other
communications related to dogs and unleashed dog trails. Include
those read by commissioners and entered into the public record at the
4/30/08 Parks and Recreation Commission public hearing regarding
off-leash dog trails.

Please continue to provide additional communications as you receive them.

2. copies of audio recordings or transcripts of all testimony from
4/30/08
hearing

3. lists of attendees at 4/30/08 hearing

4. notes taken by commissioners and staff since previous request and
at or since 4/30/08 hearing related to Parks Commission selection of
off-leash dog trails

5. any other data collected since last request, at or since 4/30/08
hearing relating to the Duluth Parks and Recreation Commission
selection of proposed designated off-leash dog trails

6. any other data, not already provided, related to the Duluth Parks
and Recreation Commission selection of proposed designated off-leash
dog trails

7. data indicating how the designation of unleashed dog areas will
decrease occurrence of unleashed dogs in non-designated areas of our
parks

8. budget for implement an off-leash dog trail program

9. budget for enforcing existing laws requiring dogs to be tied or
fenced in neighborhoods and leashed in parks

10. all city ordinances regarding dogs on public and private property

11. documents regarding penalties, city actions to be taken upon
discovery of violation

12. any other documents describing the city's liability regarding dogs on
public and private property

Please contact me at DELETED with any questions and to let me know where
and when to pick up requested data.


NAME AND ADDRESS DELETED

Tue May 6 13:20:09 2008 - [DDD Episode #36-Good going DFD] By: Danny G
DANNY DOES DULUTH-EPISODE 36-Good Going, Duluth Fire Department
I was hesitant to do this show. The first half of the episode involves some research I've done in regards to the record and employment of the Duluth Fire Department and the findings are pretty ugly. But don't worry, there's plenty of the stupidity you've come to expect on the second half of the show.
-Danny's Expose of the DFD...since nobody else will do it!
-Where In Duluth Is Ronald: Round 1
-Sorry Duluth Solutions. We're idiots!-A creepy song from a creepy fan.
-El Dennis Anderson stops by to celebrate!
Enjoy!

www.dannydoesduluth.com
or
www.lewlattolive.com

Tue May 6 10:04:00 2008 - [Solon thinks $400 million drops from sky] By: Voter
On Legislative reports Jaro's said there would be more tax increases to meet the red plan and the bitch from hell Solon said there would be no more increases. She says we are now taxed at the full amount(save a few dollars) of the Red plan yet it is only 125 million worth of tax increases. She seems to think all the rest of the over 400 million drops out of the sky. She also said we shouldn't be counting the interest in because when she buys a house she doesn't count the interest into the purchase price. Let's just hope Jaros' bill makes it all the way. They should take Duluth out of this Minneapolis, St Paul, Duluth legislation that allow school boards in these three cities only to pull this crap. To spend this kind of money without going to a vote.

Tue May 6 09:50:42 2008 - [Ness is "talking" fixing streets ] By: Voter
I see Ness is "talking" fixing streets vs skywalks. Could it be he is getting his priorities straight? Time will tell on this one.

Tue May 6 09:05:04 2008 - [Democrats have to tincrease taxes] By: Nik B
LIB, The Democrats have to tincrease taxes. This is because for the past 8 years we have had a Republican Congress who has spent all of their time cutting Donald Trumps taxes instead of finding Osama Bin Laden and cleaning up their 12 billion dollar a month embarassing failure in the Middle East. States are going broke because this not tax and spend like drunken sailors has raised our national debt to proportions no one has ever seen, the deficit is a national discrace as well. Take a look from the top down first and see why the Democrats are left to clean up the mess of 8 years of the most bizzare, irresponsible, and deadly government tyranny this side of the 1950's.

Tue May 6 07:58:58 2008 - [Won’t be any money left for dining out ] By: LIB Reader Online
I can only read the LIB online for free and save the trees as the state is hitting me hard too. Now the Dems want to take away our interest deduction on our state income tax return. Considering the state tax increase on gas at the pump, Duluth’s increased school taxes, city property tax, and every other fee; I won’t be able to contribute to the increase tax on dining in Duluth because there won’t be any money left to eat out. Duluth people not on the take can only hope Jaros is sucessful on derailing the Red Plan.
___________________________________________________________________________________

Jaros’ attempt to stop Duluth's red plan may survive
Don Davis
State Capitol Bureau - 05/06/2008
ST. PAUL –

A provision intended to impede the Duluth school district’s long-range facilities plan slipped by nearly unnoticed in a massive tax bill that appeared en route to Minnesota House passage Monday night.

What was getting most of the attention was a DFL proposal that backers said would lower property taxes for one-third of Minnesotans.

In order to pay for those property tax cuts, however, many other Minnesotans would pay higher income taxes. The bill also stops businesses from enrolling in the state’s top rural economic development program.

Rep. Mike Jaros, DFL-Duluth, got 23 lines included in the 230-page bill, taking aim at the Duluth school district’s red plan. Jaros’ provision was rolled into the overall tax bill before it reached the full House.

“The school district did a wrong job hiring a private corporation to decide what our school facilities need,” Jaros said in an interview in the back of the House chamber Monday.

Jaros said he offered his provision on Duluth schools reluctantly, but said he felt the district could have done the work itself, without hiring an outside consultant. That would have saved millions of dollars, he said.

Rep. Tom Huntley, DFL-Duluth, an opponent of the provision, said he would not offer an amendment to strip it out of the bill because he did not know if he had the votes. But he said he was upset over the issue.

“It’s not the legislators’ job to review every school district in this state,” Huntley said. “If Mike Jaros wants to run the school district, he should run for the School Board.”

The provision, aimed just at Duluth, would require the School Board to take public testimony on a contract before adopting it. And the public would be required to vote on the issue if 15 percent of district voters seek a referendum.

Duluth, Minneapolis and St. Paul school boards are the only ones in the state that can sell bonds to finance building projects without a vote by the public.

The provision was expected to remain in the overall tax bill, which is headed for a conference committee to work out differences with a Senate version. Gov. Tim Pawlenty says he does not like the overall bill, and could veto it. Huntley said he expects the Duluth provision to be discussed in conference committee.

Meanwhile, about a third of Minnesota’s homeowners would receive refunds, in effect lowering their property taxes, under the DFL House proposal. But many of the remaining homeowners would pay for those tax cuts by losing property tax deductions they now receive on their income tax returns.

The measure differs from one already passed by the Senate and a proposal from Pawlenty. Legislators have two weeks remaining in this year’s session to work out differences.

“If your property taxes are high relative to your income, we are going to step in and provide relief,” House Taxes Chairwoman Ann Lenczewski, DFL-Bloomington, said.

But Pawlenty said a majority of households in all or nearly all income categories would be net losers under the plan.

“It’s a disguised way to raise the income tax to buy down the property taxes without any reform,” the Republican governor said. “We would take a dim view of that proposal.”

The bill also curtails the Job Opportunity Building Zones program — one of Pawlenty’s pet projects — that gives many new and expanding rural businesses deep tax breaks. It allows businesses already in the program to continue, but JOBZ could not accept new businesses.




Mon May 5 23:23:02 2008 - [You beat Pig Iron to the Finish Line] By: Ben Dover
Ziggy: Congrats on finally understanding what I have been trying to tell you and Pig Iron for the past fews days. I thought ya'all, or at one of you might get it one day.

Congrats, you won. You beat Pig Iron to the Finish Line. If this was a city operation, we would put your portrait up on the wall as a real Duluth hero.

Mon May 5 23:09:20 2008 - [No bankruptcy as long as $ and assets] By: Sigfried
Just because you are North of Hinckley, Mn Bend Over does not mean that you are not in the United States of America. Notice the ruling was from a US Appellate court, not some local jurisdiction. The city will never go bankrupt as long as it has property to sell and taxpayers. Suck it up.

Mon May 5 22:56:18 2008 - [Better results with command on Gabor Day] By: Ben Dover
Sigfried: Ziggy, I hate to disappoint you, but I am not on the same squad as you are. You must have me confused with one of your other male partners. And if you are looking to use your "Bend over" command to achieve good results, you might consider Gabor Day Weekend in Duluth, but I am sure you are already completely aware of this event. I am sure you will get the reception to your "Bend Over" command that you wish.

Also, I have no idea what some city in Arkansas has to do with Duluth, Minnesota, but maybe you have yourself convinced that they are Sister Cities of some sort or something. No clue.

As far as their contracts go, AS LONG AS THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE, everything will be just fine. If their city goes bankrupt, those 29 people you referenced will know all too well what you mean by "Bend Over". Wish them luck and advise them not to be too greedy like the AFSCME folks that reside around here.

Mon May 5 21:43:57 2008 - [Arkansas – Court Upholds AFSCME Contract] By: Sigfried
Bend over Ben Dover!

Arkansas – Court Upholds AFSCME Contract
Table of Contents
Benton, Arkansas

In a landmark victory for 29 employees of the city of Benton and their union, Local 2957 (Council 38), a U.S. appellate court ruled in January that the city must continue to pay those workers' retiree health benefits, which were dropped in 2004.

Jim Nickels, Council 38's executive director and general counsel, says the basic issue is the city's contractual commitment to its retirees. “The city promised the employees would have health insurance when they retired and that the city would pay for it, but the city reneged on the promise,” he explains.

The members were vested in their retiree benefits before the city council passed two measures, in 2003 and 2004, which ultimately required all city retirees to pay the same premiums as if they were active employees.

Members of Local 2957 sued, winning two earlier lower court rulings. This time, the U.S. Court of Appeals, 8th Circuit, issued a decision favoring—and applying only to—the 29 AFSCME members.

Ruling that the city had violated the “contracts clause” of the U.S. Constitution, the three-judge panel declared that “there was a contractual relationship between the City and the plaintiffs that the City impaired through its 2003 and 2004 resolutions.”

Mon May 5 21:13:45 2008 - [What are Keelhawling and Keehauling? ] By: Hillsider
Benny, being a sailor, both haze gray and square sheet, I have to correct your malapropism regarding the term "keelhawl," which is actually "keelhaul."

"Keelhauling" was an extreme form of punishment carried out on a sailor who, in the square sheet days of sailing, put the ship and its crew in serious jeopardy.

The prisoner's hands and feet were bound with line and he was subsequently thrown overboard, usually amidships where the beam was widest, and hauled by the rope up to the other side of the ship so that the barnacles and other marine life that lived on the hull cut into his skin, ripping it to shreds. Death by keelhauling was not uncommon, but the most common cause was not by drowning, but by salt water poisoning, and more often by infection from the abrasions on the prisoners' body.

You can't "keelhawl" someone off a pier. I don't meant to nitpick, but I am a stickler for semantics.

On a related note, I highly suggest watching the PBS series called "Carrier," detailing life aboard the U.S.S. Nimitz, the flagship of the largest warships afloat. A little drama-ridden and sexied up for television but it is an interesting glimpse into the lives of the Navy's finest.

Mon May 5 21:04:11 2008 - [Check out DDD #36-"Duluth's finest"] By: Danny G
Dave, this very topic will be tackled on tomorrow's episode of Danny Does Duluth. I encourage you and all Duluthians to listen. Not to toot my own horn (not that I've ever been against doing that in the past) but I've found some really interesting information on the DFD and I think I have an alternative take on "Duluth's finest" and my analysis of some raw numbers.

So be sure to check out Episode 36 of Danny Does Duluth on www.dannydoesduluth.com! Oh. And there will be some of the normal frivolity on the episode as well. Let's just say that a certain 'stached news anchor is set to stop by too.



Blatant cheap plug over. (Thanks Tony)

Mon May 5 20:55:23 2008 - [How about Scooter?] By: Professor
How about Donny (Scooter) Ne$$$$$$$$$


 
 
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